X-Men: Xavier's Secret, January 1st 2025 (2024)

berserkerclaw

The Best There Is
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #41

What do you mean canon?? Charles and erik are not gay or a couple.

Exodus

Astonishing Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #42

berserkerclaw said:

What do you mean canon?? Charles and erik are not gay or a couple.

they are not? I always thought they have been. Was it ever directly stated that they aren't ex lovers? their sexual tension is always so obvious.

I think it is very much canon that all mutants are bi (except the gay ones).

berserkerclaw

The Best There Is
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #43

The entire History of the X-Men. Read the books. And no not all mutans. Because mutants are people. And people coose if they are BI or gay or whatever.

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Undisputed Breakfast Master

Incredible Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #44

Uncanny X-Man said:

Unless it's just printing the Infinity Comics issues...

This is what I believe too. That stuff's way too crucial to just leave online.

Exodus

Astonishing Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #45

berserkerclaw said:

The entire History of the X-Men. Read the books. And no not all mutans. Because mutants are people. And people coose if they are BI or gay or whatever.

interesting.

ARkadelphia

Extraordinary Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #47

M@Bowers2014 said:

You know what I hope the secret actually is? That Xavier is actually a good guy. The hero he's supposed to be instead of this Amanda Waller version of him we've gotten for way too long. How about revealing that none of the ****ty things accredited to Xavier was actually done by him but by Sinister or someone else? But no, it looks we're going to get even more evil secrets from his past. My guess is he had children with this Sarah nightmare character but then erased them from her memory for some reason. Bleh.

Or Sarah erased them from HIS memory

Uncanny X-Man

Mutatis mutandis
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #48

Hakka84 said:

My first thought upon seeing the title of this thread.
And, IMHO, the story should get a print version. Some stories shouldn't be relegated to Unlimited app only - the Infinity comics should be used to tell filler and extra stories that don't have place in the actual titles. Stories in which secrets of main characters are revealed.. should be part of the titles's actual plots, not hidden behind the digital paywall of the app.

Agreed. Aside from maybe the first arc, the rest is almost mandatory reading to follow the ongoing X-narrative.

From The Shadows

Extraordinary Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #49

Exodus said:

they are not? I always thought they have been. Was it ever directly stated that they aren't ex lovers? their sexual tension is always so obvious.

I think it is very much canon that all mutants are bi (except the gay ones).

It was never canon, but the talk has been put on the back burners for years as Scogan and Logurt took center stage.

But yeah, if you search there is subtext I guess.

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SturdyMike89

Incredible Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #50

Rift said:

Theories:

1. He is Quire's biological father, which is why both are powerful telepaths and Xavier took interest in him honing his gifts. They're both about mutant rights, but in different ways. They're pushing Quire so much, and tying him to an A lister will (in their eyes) make him even more relevant. The only downside to this is that Xavier cared about his wellbeing, so Quire being his son is unlikely.

2. He lied about Franklin not being a mutant.

3. He isn't the real Xavier because of reasons. Maybe he's Fantomex or something.

4. It turns out that he's Scott's real dad, and the stuff in Phoenix is all about taking Corsair off the board.

Some pretty good theories. Here's my thoughts if you don't mind...

1. I don't think we have ever learned who Quentin's parents are and much like Magneto and Wolverine before him, the professor has bit of a reputation of loving and leaving the ladies, so this one makes a lot of sense to me. The only question is who's the mom? For the sake of creativity, I will say Astra.

2. Also one I like. Dan Slott harmed the FF extensively and this was his worst move.

3. I would argue that maybe the real Xavier did die during AVX and this has been Shadow King all along. Though Fantomex works nicely too.

4. Possible, but since Scott has three brothers who are mutants and a couple were born far away from Chuck, this one is a little harder to buy IMHO.

M@Bowers2014

Mighty Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #51

Alpha to Omega said:

Was he? His evil side was blowing up planets and basically raped Dani Moonstar and that was all the way back in 1984, and written by Claremont.

The Dani Moonstar psychic "rape" was done by Xavier when he was possessed. I'm not sure how that can be blamed on him at all. When did he blow up a planet?

Alpha to Omega

Fantastic Member
  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #52

M@Bowers2014 said:

The Dani Moonstar psychic "rape" was done by Xavier when he was possessed. I'm not sure how that can be blamed on him at all. When did he blow up a planet?

Because the entity possessing him was his own evil side, which had previously attacked the X-Men and attempted to kill them in Uncanny X-Men #106. And it blew up the Microverse planet D'arnell in Micronauts and the X-Men #1.

From The Shadows

Extraordinary Member
  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #53

M@Bowers2014 said:

The Dani Moonstar psychic "rape" was done by Xavier when he was possessed. I'm not sure how that can be blamed on him at all. When did he blow up a planet?

Yeah, I mentioned that posts above. Pretty sure it was the Shadow King.

ETA: Xavier is pretty kosher in all other medias, right?

Alpha to Omega

Fantastic Member
  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #54

From The Shadows said:

Yeah, I mentioned that posts above. Pretty sure it was the Shadow King.

ETA: Xavier is pretty kosher in all other medias, right?

And as I said above it wasn’t the Shadow King, it was The Entity who was Xavier’s own dark side and who had already attempted to kill the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #106.

From The Shadows

Extraordinary Member
  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #55

Alpha to Omega said:

And as I said above it wasn’t the Shadow King, it was The Entity who was Xavier’s own dark side and who had already attempted to kill the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #106.

Whoops! But don't remember it being all that simple. I looked into The Entity did not find anything. Do you mind providing a link or scan? I think he was tempted but I don't think anything happened. Anyway, at the same time Piotr is in a relationship with Kitty. So, either its bad or it isn't. And CC had Colossus beat up for not wanting her anymore. And she was even younger. Not ****ting on Petey. But it does all seem hypocritical. Also, not supporting those things.

Alpha to Omega

Fantastic Member
  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #56

From The Shadows said:

Whoops! But don't remember it being all that simple. I looked into The Entity did not find anything. Do you mind providing a link or scan? I think he was tempted but I don't think anything happened. Anyway, at the same time Piotr is in a relationship with Kitty. So, either its bad or it isn't. And CC had Colossus beat up for not wanting her anymore. And she was even younger. Not ****ting on Petey. But it does all seem hypocritical. Also, not supporting those things.


Here’s what he did to Dani.

Earlier in the mini, the Entity had Kitty (actually a mind swapped Baron Karza because Claremont) dressed in a slave outfit and attempted to “satisfy his lust” with her before being interrupted.

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ollyinthesky

uncanny
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #57

berserkerclaw said:

The entire History of the X-Men. Read the books. And no not all mutans. Because mutants are people. And people coose if they are BI or gay or whatever.

Oh, come off it. Charles’ bald head is, like, the gayest stereotype ever. All he needs is two leather straps across his chest in a big X and he’d be a backup dancer for the Village People. And Magneto’s purple “helmet”? That’s too obvious.

Rift

More Than You'll Ever Be
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #58

Yeah like those two pillow princesses would ever be able to maintain a real relationship, though

Hakka84

Mighty Member
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #59

berserkerclaw said:

What do you mean canon?? Charles and erik are not gay or a couple.

It was a joke.
Still, of all the X-Men, I think Charles and Erik being revealed to be exes or at least having romantic repressed feelings for each other would make sense the most. More sense than certain queers pairs that come out of nowhere.

To check if two same-gender characters would work as a pair you just need to turn one of the character into their opposite gender and then revisit all their story, in this case replacing either Charles or Magnus as a female. Many scenes will suddenly take another meaning, and you will find yourself saying "why don't you kiss already?"
If Charles was a Charlotte or Erik an Erica, they wouldn't certainly be "just friends" - the least we would get would be a long, painful "will-they-won't-they" thrope. Not to diminish the value of friendship, but in any type of media this is what happens. Every time.
When in two males/two females their closeness is labelled "deep friendship, platonic soulmates", the same closeness is "chemistry" if the characters are male/female.

So no, in canon they aren't gay or a couple, but Marvel wouldn't need to change anything or retcon things out, if they suddenly decided to make Charles and Erik in love with each other. X-Men: Xavier's Secret, January 1st 2025 (18)

berserkerclaw

The Best There Is
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #60

Ok didnt relize your comment was a joke.

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