Elections - Do you think Biden has the best chance of winning the Presidency for the Democrats? (2024)

Crazy, the issue shouldn't be if Biden should be running, it should be if the 25th should be done to him.. Chuck Todd, who has severe TDS and has nut hugged Joe Biden up until the debate. At the 12:40 mark, Todd states that one of Biden's cabinent members told him two years ago, that they don't think he can run for office in 2024 and that they hardly meets with Biden, and kind of left in the dark about Biden. Todd and his guest, a politico's senior political reporter then go on to discuss how everyone in DC has known about Biden's cognitive decline for years, but that it was a "non-versation", and people avoided it. Then they go into justifying call themselves journalists. Even talks about a basem*nt interview from June 2020, and how his people have not put him out since prior to the 2020 election.

These guys then go into talking about how elites and top democrats refuse to talk about Trump. They are apart of the cover up, but now blaming democrats. Their deflection to try and revise their coverage... but that first minute I point out, 12:40 - 13:40 is very telling.

Of course he has the best chance. But I'm super excited to see what happens because Americans now know what kind of a pile of sh*t Biden really is. If they vote for him, they will get him. Then after two weeks when Biden dies of old age, they'll get Kamala for a few weeks shy of four years.

And guess what? They'll deserve her and all destruction she brings. And I'll be happy to watch them suffer.

Islam Imamate said:

Sure but I think its fair to wonder why he's implying that right? It could just as easily be that they legitimately think he's fine and fit to govern and see the debate as an unrepresentative blip. You can disagree with that and not assume they're bad people or have self-serving justifications.

I can't prove you wrong since you're making a lot of assumptions about her motivations that neither you nor I could confirm either way but that just comes off as particularly bad faith to me.

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It’s an opinion.

At least you and I can agree on that.

Rob Battisti said:

It’s an opinion.

At least you and I can agree on that.

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Sure but it seems like a strong opinion that assumes the worst when I think there are other reasonable alternative explanations for the facts at hand.

Islam Imamate said:

Sure but it seems like a strong opinion that assumes the worst when I think there are other reasonable alternative explanations for the facts at hand.

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That’s also an opinion.

I think it’s entirely reasonable that the kind thing to do with someone who is in decline,
81 years of age and obviously in the final 2 minutes of life would be to spend time by a lake with family.

NickNick said:

I think it's being alluded that they want him to stay in the race for their own selfish reasons, not because it's what is best for him or the country.

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after the debate...it's not even a question. That is exactly what they are doing.

Islam Imamate said:

Is it wrong for a wife to believe in her husband?

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Did you not watch the debate? If she is responsible for him still in charge, she is a lot worse than a prick and doesn't deserve any apologies

Rob Battisti said:

That’s also an opinion.

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Yes it is my opinion that you're being a bit bad faith here and probably generally.

Rob Battisti said:

I think it’s entirely reasonable that the kind thing to do with someone who is in decline,
81 years of age and obviously in the final 2 minutes of life would be to spend time by a lake with family.

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SKYNET said:

Did you not watch the debate? If she is responsible for him still in charge, she is a lot worse than a prick and doesn't deserve any apologies

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Don't you think its possible that she doesn't agree that he's in some terminal cognitive decline? Even if you think that's wrong that wouldn't mean she's some self-serving harpy.

I dislike Trump and think he's a unique threat to US democracy but I also believe that a non-zero number, likely a majority, of his supporters and staff don't agree and sincerely think he's the best guy for the job.

GearSolidMetal said:

RFK would have been the Democrat nominee.

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You can't be serious. The nanny f*cker is not even a real democrat.

Islam Imamate said:

Why do you think that makes them pricks? Is it wrong for a wife to believe in her husband?

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No, but that's not what she's doing.

koquerelle said:

No, but that's not what she's doing.

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How so?

Islam Imamate said:

Why is that naïve? Most of the talk on the Dem side about Biden's fitness is centered around the unique importance of beating Trump. This includes former Republicans like Joe Walsh. Lots of folks both inside and outside the political establishment are heavily invested in beating Trump because of his uniquely authoritarian tendencies combined with his appeal to his base.

What are you basing this off of?

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Oh wait, they're saying they're concerned because of how scared of Trump they are? Well that must mean that's what it is and not that they're obsessed with winning like both sides are in...IDK...every election?

Of course they're banging the "Trump is dangerous!" drum, they'd be doing that as a main tactic regardless of whether Joe looked cooked or not. That doesn't even mean they don't believe it's true (Trump's rhetorichas earned him having people being concerned in that way imo)--but the point is that they aren't "less invested" in winning in years where they don't try to sell the opponent as "a danger to democracy".

Islam Imamate said:

How so?

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Her husband is clearly unwell and she's acting like it's not the case. She's a horrible human being like Nancy Reagan was.

Islam Imamate said:

Yes it is my opinion that you're being a bit bad faith here and probably generally.

Don't you think its possible that she doesn't agree that he's in some terminal cognitive decline? Even if you think that's wrong that wouldn't mean she's some self-serving harpy.

I dislike Trump and think he's a unique threat to US democracy but I also believe that a non-zero number, likely a majority, of his supporters and staff don't agree and sincerely think he's the best guy for the job.

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I actually think this is fair. I don't know much about her TBH, but I will say it's often those closest to the person facing age related decline that are in the most denial. You see it with adult kids of the elderly. One of the kids swears up and down that mom can still drive, live alone, etc and the other kids can't convince them otherwise even though it's obvious to everyone.

She might just not be able to objectively assess him and it might have nothing to do with selfish intentions.

White Whale said:

Gretchen Whitmer is lesser known but she implemented similar tyrannical covid policies and just like Newsom she violated her own mandates. All Republicans have to do is show Whitmer and Newsom's hypocrisy during covid.

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Like always, the election is decided by that middle 10-15% whose votes are up for grabs.

And the ones that have an issue with "covid hypocrisy" or "mask mandates" are far rightists who'd never vote for a Democrat to begin with. Covid was 4 years ago, no one gives a sh*t.

The economy, crime, and healthcare are more mainstream issues. Whitmer might suffer from recognizability. She'd be banking on the anti-Trump sentiment being strong enough to carry her through.

mkess101 said:

Oh wait, they're saying they're concerned because of how scared of Trump they are? Well that must mean that's what it is and not that they're obsessed with winning like both sides are in...IDK...every election?

Of course they're banging the "Trump is dangerous!" drum, they'd be doing that as a main tactic regardless of whether Joe looked cooked or not. That doesn't even mean they don't believe it's true (Trump's rhetorichas earned him having people being concerned in that way imo)--but the point is that they aren't "less invested" in winning in years where they don't try to sell the opponent as "a danger to democracy".

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Not just Trump's rhetoric, its his actions like trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.

Yes of course Dems want to win as usual but there is absolutely special concern over Trump and specifically what he might do with the newfound immunity powers and any potential SCOTUS openings.

koquerelle said:

Her husband is clearly unwell and she's acting like it's not the case. She's a horrible human being like Nancy Reagan was.

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He was examined by a neurologist earlier this year and that doctor found no evidence of cognitive disorders so idk that I'd agree he's clearly unwell off of one debate performance. Even if that were true it doesn't necessarily follow that Jill is a horrible human being. She could be in denial or just willing to go along with what her husband wants. Joe himself seems like he's committed to the race.

mkess101 said:

I actually think this is fair. I don't know much about her TBH, but I will say it's often those closest to the person facing age related decline that are in the most denial. You see it with adult kids of the elderly. One of the kids swears up and down that mom can still drive, live alone, etc and the other kids can't convince them otherwise even though it's obvious to everyone.

She might just not be able to objectively assess him and it might have nothing to do with selfish intentions.

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Sure and its also possible that Biden is fine and she sees that more clearly since she lives with him and isn't judging him solely off of a few bad public appearances.

Jack V Savage said:

I think this illustrates the problem that decent people face. No matter what they do, they're going to be seen as evil monsters.

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The gaslighting from the left has been ridiculous. “Cheap fakes”

We all could see it. If someone couldn’t tell that Biden is a shell of the man he once was, they are either liars or morons.

Islam Imamate said:

Not just Trump's rhetoric, its his actions like trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.

Yes of course Dems want to win as usual but there is absolutely special concern over Trump and specifically what he might do with the newfound immunity powers and any potential SCOTUS openings.

Sure and its also possible that Biden is fine and she sees that more clearly since she lives with him and isn't judging him solely off of a few bad public appearances.

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The point is that the Dems aren't "trying harder" to win this time. Politics at that level is always as cut throat as is possible. The fact that Trump "scares" them more than other candidates may be true, but it doesn't have any actual effect on what they're doing.

I think it's grasping extremely hard to find a way to say Joe is "fine" and fit to serve 4+ more years.